These are good. And you don't need a bread-maker to make them. These can also be used as just plain dinner rolls, just don't make them quite as big. I made these for a gathering with friends yesterday, then put them in the oven to rise. As it turned out, they only got to rise for five minutes before I had to turn the oven on to get them cooked fast. Surprisingly, they still rose very well. If you don't have time to give them 30 minutes to rise, just start cooking them. You won't get as much ...